Se7en | IMDb Top 250 Film Series

🕵️‍♂️ Join us in this gripping episode of our IMDb Top 250 Film Series as we delve into the dark, twisted world of 'Se7en.' Together with my friend and fellow movie enthusiast, we embark on a detailed exploration of this seminal thriller that has haunted audiences since its release. Directed by David Fincher and starring Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman, 'Se7en' redefines the crime genre with its innovative storytelling and chilling suspense.

🔍 In 'Se7en,' a rookie detective and a seasoned veteran are pitted against a serial killer using the seven deadly sins as his modus operandi. Through our discussion, we uncover the layers of psychological depth, artistic direction, and narrative complexity that make 'Se7en' a masterpiece of cinema.

🎙️ Episode Features:

• An in-depth analysis of David Fincher's direction and visual style.
• A closer look at the dynamic performances of Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, and Kevin Spacey.
• The impact of 'Se7en' on the thriller genre and contemporary filmmaking.
• Themes of morality, justice, and sin explored in the movie.
• The significance of the film's setting and atmosphere in building suspense.
• Our personal interpretations and the philosophical questions raised by the movie.
• Listener questions and insights on 'Se7en's' lasting legacy and cultural impact.

💡 Whether you're a long-time fan or new to the chilling world of 'Se7en,' this episode promises to offer fresh perspectives on one of the most influential films of the 90s. We dissect the elements that make 'Se7en' a standout film in the IMDb Top 250 and its relevance in today's cinematic landscape.

🗣️ Share your thoughts on 'Se7en' in the comments below. What did you find most compelling about the film? How does it stand up to other iconic thrillers?

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Strolling down the gritty, rain-slicked streets of David Fincher's cinematic masterpiece, 'Se7en', Bee and I crack open the case once more, peering into the film's shadowy corners. Each frame brims with crafty hints and gut-punch moments that speak to Fincher's prowess in weaving a tale as twisted as the seven deadly sins themselves. We dissect iconic scenes that stitch the narrative's unsettling tapestry, from the ominous dinner invitation to the skin-crawling exchanges with John Doe's attorney, revealing how these elements serve to amplify the immersive dread. Our guest, humorously dubbed 'John Doe', injects a playful yet insightful energy into the mix, deepening our appreciation for the movie's intricate layers.

Amidst our exploration of Fincher's dark world, a debate brews over the magnetic performances of Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman. The heart-pounding "what's in the box" scene stands as a testament to Pitt's emotional range, yet it's Freeman's seasoned gravitas that anchors the film's spiraling chaos. We can't help but unravel the complex tapestry of their characters' partnership, and while the scales tip slightly in Pitt's favor, it's clear that both actors deliver knockout punches. 

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:10

Alright, the Shrem Show we just finished watching 7. I got my special friend over here. His name is Bee. We got our own little John Doe over here, who shall remain nameless and going under the pseudonym Bee.

Speaker 2: 0:32

I'm actually not going to go talk until the very end of the podcast and then just reveal myself.

Speaker 1: 0:37

Yeah, so I'm going to cut this in post. This is going to be cut because you already broke the rule.

Speaker 2: 0:45

Damn. What are we going to do for an hour?

Speaker 1: 0:48

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 0:49

So now we have to actually have a conversation and talk about it.

Speaker 1: 0:51

This feels like a kid show. This is terrible. This is a terrible way to start a kid show.

Speaker 2: 0:56

So down and have him watch 7.

Speaker 1: 0:59

By the way, that's a pretty messed up children's program I'm going to watch the first 6.

Speaker 2: 1:07

Thanks for everybody laughing at that. That would be really awkward. I thought about making that joke and I went I trust him. I trust him. He's a good friend and he'll give me something.

Speaker 1: 1:17

Wait, in the boys is it 6 or 7? It's the 6?.

Speaker 2: 1:22

Oh, the 7?. Yeah, is it the 7?.

Speaker 1: 1:26

The 7 deadly sins. Maybe all of them are different deadly sins.

Speaker 2: 1:30

I feel like 7 is pretty. Maybe I don't feel like we're grasping at stress here, but I don't think we're on the money per se. Maybe, yeah, anyways, we just finished watching the 7. The 7. The 7 movies. We just finished watching 7., 7 times.

Speaker 1: 1:49

By David.

Speaker 2: 1:49

Fincher 49.

Speaker 1: 1:51

49 times.

Speaker 2: 1:51

Morgan. Freeman One of the best. Yes, brad Pitt, one of the best.

Speaker 1: 1:57

And what were your first thoughts?

Speaker 2: 2:01

Well, my first thoughts is I've seen it years ago, but I haven't seen it in. You know about 15, 16. Yeah, my father showed it to me really, really young, so I grew up perfectly, but that's where I needed the chuckle. I needed like a little like you know. No, I'm just going to squeeze it out of your head.

Speaker 1: 2:22

Man's telling me with a laugh Okay, oh man, but impressions.

Speaker 2: 2:27

I noticed a lot of things that I didn't before, and I actually noticed a lot of David Fincher's films, as he leaves a lot of Easter eggs and you know a lot of cute clues, you know really rewards the viewers that you know pay attention to second viewing. So I mean he's one of those. He has one of those movies where every movie that you rewatch again, your score is going to bump up.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Yeah, the rewatch ability on this is definitely there. I mean same with you. I watched it when I was a kid. Probably shouldn't have and I remember. I remember not really grasping a lot of the ideas with the seven deadly sins, like whole. Yeah, Lore, you know what Dante's Inferno was, girl like at the age of 10, like you know exactly. So the rewatch ability on it was great for that purpose. The fact that I got older and I got I understood more of the ideas or philosophy behind it. Also, I knew what happened at the end of it. So, seeing the Easter eggs and the what is it Like? The foreshadowing of the impending what's in the box situation was was pretty interesting, to say the least.

Speaker 2: 3:49

Yeah, yeah. By the way, is there a spoiler? Do we put spoiler warnings on this?

Speaker 1: 3:53

If you're listening to this, you've already watched this movie and if not, then don't listen to this podcast, and you've already known that at this point. Terrible advertising we're doing great yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:06

I will say yeah, because you and I were watching it and clearly we know what has. I mean, it's one of those like it's one of those most famous, even though if you haven't seen the movie, you know what's already happening. However, I will say we saw every time she popped up on screen. We're trying to look for clues and stuff and we saw one clue where she invited detective over for dinner and she was prepping dinner in the kitchen, that little area, and this little window and her head was in a box and just chills down my spine.

Speaker 1: 4:41

Yeah, there was like a little box in the kitchen to see what's going on in there. We mean, mean you just looked at it and go foreshadow Check symbolism. Yeah, we were like um, okay, so when he was talking with the lawyer, with John Doe's lawyer, we were looking at him and we're like he kept saying I want you to see it, I want you to see it, but every time he said it he was looking directly at Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2: 5:10

Yeah, yeah, and that was at the end, at the beginning.

Speaker 1: 5:13

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:17

At the beginning, when the seven deadly sins were revealed and it's, you know, being listed one by one, the last sin was, you know, revealed or when he said it, morgan Freeman, he said it to Brad Pitt's character, he said it directly to him.

Speaker 1: 5:31

Envy right, yeah, envy yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:35

So Envy bam, eyes locked in and we're like okay, there you go, that's perfect. You know it does actually speak to you know such good direction that he has where he guides his actors really, really well. I think that he does a great job of making them seem natural, because a lot of times in movies, when you know try to like force someone to say a line in a certain place, I mean it's acting but I feel like it's kind of like a play. It's really very performance, but they're yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:04

I mean, it may just be to those.

Speaker 1: 6:06

foreshadowing is definitely. The foreshadowing is definitely on the director because the set pieces, the you have to be able to understand the chronological thing because they're not filming chronologically and on top of all that you have to be able to give these subtle things. So, unless it's saying in the script, when you say Envy, nod towards Brad Pitt's character, which you probably didn't say that in the script, that's on the director to tell hey, morgan, morgan Freeman, look at Brad Pitt when you say Envy.

Speaker 2: 6:39

Yeah, and also you know, to add on to that, it's a good job to Brad and Morgan like yeah. I know their first names like I've been hanging out but the boys the boys. But you know they seem so natural to have, you know such good camaraderie between them so they can land those lines without having it seem so specific, you know so he turned over and made direct eye contact. It was just so natural and you know natural. And he landed, you know he's marked perfectly.

Speaker 1: 7:10

Yeah, I feel like he didn't have to direct Kevin Spacey all that much on being a creep, because he's already won. He's just so ready yeah he nailed that part. Yeah, he nailed that part and I feel like that's always his character.

Speaker 2: 7:23

Really he's still in character.

Speaker 1: 7:24

Yeah, he's always he's always playing the perfect creep. I wonder why. Incredible actor, incredible acting Quote. Unquote Wink wink, nudge, nudge.

Speaker 2: 7:39

Oh God.

Speaker 1: 7:43

If you don't get that, you're living under a rock people.

Speaker 2: 7:46

Yeah Well yeah, and also but that's that you.

Speaker 1: 7:50

You said that perfectly, that that that villain reveal. Yeah, that was yeah, that's one of my favorite.

Speaker 2: 7:57

Maculant villain reveals they're chasing down the entire time. He shows up bloody, you know, just casual detective, and then screen to attack that like and gets the entire. He gets the entire room, he gets the entire theater. You know, this was what 1995.

Speaker 1: 8:18

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:18

Yeah, so this is shortly before we were born. I mean, I would love to just see this in theaters. I wonder what it would be like just to sit there and just feel it. I feel like the air gets sucked out of the room. It's very stagnant.

Speaker 1: 8:29

I would love it's one of those theater moments that you know, I remember a weird clip from the butterfly effect where one of the kids is, he goes back in the time item or whatever he goes back in his past and they're watching seven in theaters. Yeah, I don't know why that made me think of that. So off topic, but I'm like great movie first of all.

Speaker 1: 8:53

Yeah, I like Ashlyn Kutcher in that movie is great, but that was a villain reveal of a lifetime, oh yeah, and the fact that he's in the staircase taking photos of Brad Pitt and then later on you see his his photograph the red one, yeah, and you see all those things. You're like, oh my God, he's been in front of their faces several times, like a couple of times before they actually grab, they get them or whatever. He confesses so crazy, what a cat and mouse. It's a perfect cat and mouse movie.

Speaker 1: 9:29

Yeah it reminds me, in a sense, of the departed. For different reasons, I feel like I tend to love cat and mouse movies, where it's somebody going after somebody else and they're playing each other and it's perfect.

Speaker 2: 9:46

Yeah, I love those, yeah, yeah, I mean, I would say, this one is more one sided. Yeah where you know. Yes, he is playing with the detectives, 100%.

Speaker 1: 9:54

But we only see their point of view.

Speaker 2: 9:57

Yeah, yeah, and it was stated that he was showing off in a sense, but it was more so out of yeah, because he had the photos of the guy from a year in advance.

Speaker 2: 10:09

Yeah, yeah, he was showing up. Even in the phone call. He just you just hear in his voice, you know his character, you know Brad Pitt's character. Afterwards he just said, yeah, he's definitely, you know, very proud of what he did. So, yeah, the definitely is a cat and mouse game over there, but it's not so like, oh, you can catch me, it's just, this is my, this is the work and I'm so proud of this work. And that's kind of the cat, the driver.

Speaker 2: 10:36

Yeah, and that you know the other side would be the mouse.

Speaker 1: 10:39

So it's interesting because this also happens to be a film where the villain wins. He won, yeah, he got exactly what he looked for. And it's kind of crazy because a lot of these films you're always rooting for the heroes, obviously, and even though you're kind of ending the movie with, oh, there's closure, okay, cool. No, the villain won. Like there's something unsettling about that ending, yeah, and I think that's so interesting.

Speaker 1: 11:13

Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know it's not a lot of films are able to take that like risk of like all right villain one.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Yeah, yeah, you know, as long as they close the story, I know that's obvious to say I'm okay with out closure, you know, from like another character, or if I don't really understand it, it's okay with being ambiguous, at least to myself. I'm okay with that. I can think about it, I can Google a little bit and then you'll think about on my own. I like to figure it out a little bit more myself before delving into, you know, articles and stuff like that. But a lot of films I find have difficulty finishing or answering the questions that they set up, because then you can have really intriguing questions but you know they don't really quite answer or satisfy all the points or really allude to it. And David Fincher, he just doesn't not do that. He delivers every time.

Speaker 1: 12:05

Yeah, I feel like he pretty much answers a lot of the. He answers the necessary questions and leaves out what he leaves out, just enough for you to keep watching the movie over and over again to see oh, did I miss that? Oh, did he know this? Aha, I find that the rewatch ability on a movie like this is good and I think he does that awesome in this and I think he did it phenomenal in Fight Club. You could rewatch Fight Club like every single day. That's like one of those good fellas as well.

Speaker 2: 12:40

You know what's also rewatchable about him. He delivers information and exposition where just people are just talking in a room. Very well, not just one person has a conversation and then the other person answers and then you kind of wait for the next scene where hopefully something will be exciting In the scene. The way he shoots people, the way he cuts the camera, pushes up or pulls back. He does a really good job. I mean, take note of it Next time you watch a Fincher film. Just notice how those everyday talking scenes are actually just a bit more interesting.

Speaker 1: 13:23

Oh, I totally noticed that. So one of the scenes I noticed that in was in the car driving up to the last two sins. I was wondering to myself whenever he had Brad Pitt talk or he had John Doe's character talk, it was behind the grading in the car, so behind the cage. I was wondering what was the purpose of Fincher filming, because obviously you could film Brad Pitt talking without the cage being in front of you and you could do the same with John Doe. So I was wondering about it and while I was watching the movie, that separation idea of prisoner to detective needs to be there and you could do that well with the cage behind each one. And the real question there that I think he was alluding to or I'm looking too much into this is who is behind the cage?

Speaker 1: 14:21

At that point in the movie you think John Doe is in the cage with the detectives in charge. They have the upper hand. In reality it was John Doe, was the was the one looking at Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman in the cage he created. So I think it's just very interesting how he was. He didn't do it. He didn't do it like when Brad Pitt was talking to John Doe. It was from the viewpoint of the cage. The cage was first, and then Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2: 14:57

Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, it reflects him. It kind of reminds me of Watchmen, and this isn't too much of a spoiler.

Speaker 1: 15:03

I love that movie.

Speaker 2: 15:04

Oh God, you know, when Rorschach goes to prison and then the prisoners gang up on him and then Rorschach gets the better hand and I can't even begin, so I don't have the lung or I can't rip out my vocal cords to use his voice, but he says you know, when are you going to realize that I'm not locked in here with you?

Speaker 1: 15:22

You're locked in here with me yeah, wow, no, that really embodies this John Doe character. Yeah, yeah, he knows what he's doing from the beginning. He knew from a year in advance. Now I think his plan had to get sped up because the fact that they found his layer in a sense he didn't expect, but it didn't stop him. And this guy's IQ has to be out the wazoo.

Speaker 2: 15:48

Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 15:51

I think that that this movie happens to be first impression like getting older it is one of the most grittiest films I've ever watched in my life. There's no other film I've ever watched where it's as gritty as this. I mean I've heard Requiem for a Dream is very much like that, very excited to watch that. Haven't seen it yet. But as of now it's way more gritty than Fight Club. But Fincher is great with making that gritty noir vibe.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Yes.

Speaker 1: 16:24

We were talking about the word noir mid movie. Is that like a term people just use every day now?

Speaker 2: 16:32

We mentioned that, noir, is it just feels good to like you feel good saying it?

Speaker 1: 16:38

It makes you feel like a film, a hire class. I mentioned the other A film buff, yeah, even this.

Speaker 2: 16:43

look at it like wrists are kind of just like presenting the war. I felt like a glass of whiskey Noir. Noir Just yeah, I don't even smoke, but like I would love to just have a lit cigarette, cigar, cigar with a whiskey yeah, just what are you doing this weekend? I'm watching a noir show you don't say yes.

Speaker 1: 17:04

Yes, quite indubitably, that's great, yeah. By the way, this is coming from a guy who probably does not understand the definition of what a noir film is.

Speaker 2: 17:21

Any of our advice probably going forward.

Speaker 1: 17:25

Um, okay, who is your favorite actor in this movie?

Speaker 2: 17:30

And why it's two part. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: 17:34

And show your work and why?

Speaker 2: 17:36

Uh, uh, uh, boom, I'm gonna. I'm gonna split the question or I'm gonna say what's more interesting to me is my favorite the dynamic between them, cause it's a toss up between Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman, but my favorite part, or my favorite character, is just them together. They really just oppose each other. You know, one veteran takes his time very slow, the other one very trigger, friendly wink wink towards the end of the film.

Speaker 1: 18:08

I got, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2: 18:11

You just didn't, you know. I mean, like you looked at me and you, you know, you frown.

Speaker 1: 18:15

But I really need like a solid no, I nodded, I need like a deniro frown where, like you know how, like you, truly a deep understanding.

Speaker 2: 18:21

There you go, your eyes like flip up.

Speaker 1: 18:23

For people that obviously can't see because there's no camera.

Speaker 2: 18:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:28

I did my famous deniro phase that no one's ever seen.

Speaker 2: 18:30

So it's not so famous, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:34

I can't do an impression of him, but I can make his face to a T.

Speaker 2: 18:40

He's crushing it right now. I just want to let you know just talking to me is nobody else. You're missing a lot.

Speaker 1: 18:48

We just watched a good fellows like two. Two movies Okay, but now if you could choose one of those actors when they were solo, who was better? That sucks.

Speaker 2: 19:01

I'd say I'm more gravitated towards Brad Pitt's character for the fact that I'm very interested to see if he's going, if he's going to go explode at any single moment. He's you know, he can kind of go off the rails. He's kind of indecisive and that can take the movie in every which direction If you have a character.

Speaker 1: 19:22

Is it every man yeah?

Speaker 2: 19:25

If you have someone that's that's, you know, very stoic and grounded, you can kind of maybe understand their intentions a little bit more and understand that the scenes are going to, you know, sequentially, going to flow about the same. But if you have, you know, a monkey wrench in every scene or like a powder gag, you know the film can go any place. So yeah that's kind of interesting to me. I do like that.

Speaker 1: 19:46

Yeah, I definitely. I definitely gravitated towards more towards Brad Pitt's character, and I'm going to tell you why. The scene that did it for me, with his acting, was obviously what's in the box. You know, it's such an overplayed scene that you almost, whenever you see you don't you don't feel the gravitation of that emotion.

Speaker 2: 20:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:10

But rewatching it and getting into the character, into the movie, and watching it not from a scene, randomly on the internet or whatever, but getting into the character. His indecisiveness of letting him win first, killing him for doing that horrible thing to him, he makes you feel that, yeah, and that scene where he's what's in the box and his, his going from shooting him to looking down to shooting him to looking down, really makes you question what this man is going through. I think that that was seen like Morgan Friedman didn't wasn't able to have a scene where he was doing something like that, and I think that's the difference in the acting was obviously Morgan Friedman's a phenomenal actor. I just think that they gave Brad Pitt more meat on his bones to work with.

Speaker 2: 21:08

Yeah, yeah, I think the specific scene you could just see it, and I'm not even going to tell you exactly where, but you could just see him swallow just that. You know he's faced with that decision. He knows he's faced with that decision that comes to him and then you just see him internalize all of that and he has no idea what to do but just break down and then the decision comes clear to him and, like I said, you know he is just a, you know he's a powder guy, you know he's very trigger, friendly per se and his personality, and you know that.

Speaker 1: 21:39

That that I have a good question for you. Go for it. Okay, go for it. If you were one of the seven deadly sins, which one would you be?

Speaker 2: 21:54

If, if I'm the if you're one of them.

Speaker 1: 21:56

If you're one of them like I had to go introspectively look upon yourself and tell me which deadly sin, you'd be Okay.

Speaker 2: 22:03

So I'm not like facing the characters Fate, you're just telling which one.

Speaker 1: 22:06

Yeah, no, no, yeah, because no one wants lots, God, I'll pay them.

Speaker 2: 22:11

I'm good. I'm good, I'll take, I'll take. I wouldn't say it's lost, I wouldn't say it's greed. You know the kind of like Vince Vaughn when he says in dodgeball, you know if you all have a goal, a goal or something, you can't, you know you can't miss your marks. I wouldn't say I have no goals in life.

Speaker 1: 22:32

This is so, greed, he's not, he's not, he's not greed.

Speaker 2: 22:35

So I'm just trying to stay safe here.

Speaker 1: 22:38

Okay, what do I have? I see it's not lustful women. Even though you don't know his name, because he's a John Doe.

Speaker 2: 22:47

I want to say I'm lustful though I am, I don't have the words for that one though. I don't, what am I? I am, you know, it might be clueless, that's what I am. Oh, clueless. Yeah, that was the eighth one. That's what I'm saying. There's an ass first, clueless.

Speaker 1: 23:07

Like the movie or like the, oh, just in general. Just in general, not the movie.

Speaker 2: 23:10

Yeah, gosh, I know, I know, I know Envy as as much as I don't find myself a jealous person, but I do find myself. Yeah yeah, but if I'm honest with myself, you know, I think we all measure ourselves through other people's eyes.

Speaker 2: 23:29

Oh so technically that it might be envious. You know, if you want to be above someone Then, or if you want to get to a certain place, and that's your reference point. It's kind of hard, if you're truly looking into yourself, to see that there might just be a bit of envy in there. At least, this is the answer that's coming to me at the moment. Wow, yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:47

Um, yeah, I like food. So I'm just gonna say I like food.

Speaker 2: 24:00

Seven jokes in seven seconds. I have to search with inside my soul and just confess this.

Speaker 1: 24:06

Hey, listen, I never. I never told you to give this. Okay, I did tell you to go introspectively into yourself. No I mean listen, I definitely think that I'm gluttony for not just cuz I eat. I think that when I indulge in things, I fully indulge in them.

Speaker 2: 24:22

Yeah, I'm very, very go.

Speaker 1: 24:24

I very go into. I love the enjoyment and if I see a benefit from it I totally want to get the. I go for the extreme benefit of that thing. That makes sense and is it a problem? Yeah, but you know, I'm working on myself every day.

Speaker 2: 24:39

I feel like a lot of everything in moderation.

Speaker 1: 24:42

I've been learning. I've been learning that idea of everything in moderation and I think that's been helping me get to a place of healthy Lifestyle, whether it's food, whether it's doing activities. Going out every single night is too much, even though Is it fun to do. Yeah, it's a hell of. Yeah, but it's fun to go out and do all those things, but, mm-hmm, it is taxing on you.

Speaker 2: 25:10

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's one of those phrases. I love the phrase too, because that's something that you can just Tack on to a conversation if you kind of don't know how. No, this not in this conversation. You're doing great.

Speaker 1: 25:21

What are you? What are you telling me right now? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say?

Speaker 2: 25:24

There's just these phrases that I find myself saying, not just taxing, just anything, like you know, fuck now. Like.

Speaker 1: 25:37

Think of it. Go ever floats your boat, like I just find myself saying these phrases in conversations just to tie a nice bow around.

Speaker 2: 25:42

I'm like I don't need to have these different strokes.

Speaker 1: 25:47

One foot in front of the other.

Speaker 2: 25:50

Take your time. Hey, you know who's to say. I say that all the time. I don't know where that comes from.

Speaker 1: 25:55

God bless you.

Speaker 2: 25:58

God bless.

Speaker 1: 25:59

That's the over here doesn't like it if you say God bless.

Speaker 2: 26:02

No cuz, I just asked because somebody somebody.

Speaker 1: 26:05

We were talking to instinct that he goes. How is he there? He goes Instinctively, he just goes.

Speaker 2: 26:10

God bless and you got angry how you have a conversation with someone. How's it weekend, god bless? What we almost hit by a bus was your village about to be raided. Like what, what required?

Speaker 1: 26:24

a guy just meant to say it was a good day, just say it's a good, it's good, that's fine.

Speaker 2: 26:29

You could just say that give that Pete Davis. Yeah, yeah, you know. I like special just goes on and on. It's fine, you know it's another mundane weekend.

Speaker 1: 26:39

I don't know, for anything you got like these weird things. You know different strokes or you get. You get angry, maybe maybe a rat, maybe that's what you are fine, you see it's coming a bit more.

Speaker 2: 26:50

But you know what is, maybe like two weeks, like three weeks ago and this is nothing might take a religion, none of that we can. Just, we just put a parentheses around that. It's just socially, or it was just a couple of customer service a couple weeks ago and you know, it's just off the gate. I'm like, oh, how's it going? She's like God is good. I'm like I don't okay, I mean listen not just good.

Speaker 1: 27:12

It's a little different than God bless, that's true. But I feel like that, when you thought about that when you were like Somebody's gonna ask me how my day is young, and every time they asked me I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2: 27:23

God is she said, yeah, just finally got some on the phone.

Speaker 1: 27:29

That's Kathy from Oklahoma.

Speaker 2: 27:32

God Is just like what can I do for you? I'm like uh, well, how are you? God is good, you know. She said you know I you know. And then again, I would be nice to have one of those phrases, you know, like, yeah, go the flow, you know.

Speaker 1: 27:48

Yeah, hey, listen. Different strokes or different folks, oh, that's my favorite one. I say that all the time. I always find myself getting into an issue with somebody and there's. So they always just want to go with their own Idea. And then I just be like I'm not fighting this battle, all right, different strokes for different folks, and for some reason, nine out of ten times they go. I mean yeah, you're right, yeah, sure, and I'm like yes.

Speaker 2: 28:17

I got it out, it's so. It's so general. It doesn't apply to anything you can't just it's that I agree to disagree. When you know, you know agreed to disagree.

Speaker 1: 28:29

Then nothing changed.

Speaker 2: 28:31

Yeah, it's kind of like when someone says maybe yes, maybe no, just say maybe it's. What are you splitting hair? It's just, you're good the glass half full.

Speaker 1: 28:40

Mentality over here.

Speaker 2: 28:42

Yeah, I Didn't notice recently that when someone says I like if you're up for something or if you're down for something, it means the same thing you want to hang out yeah, I'm down. Or you want to hang out, yeah, I'm up for it.

Speaker 1: 28:55

I had a question for you. What was your favorite scene of the entire movie?

Speaker 2: 29:02

I mean, the boxing is iconic, that probably stands out, but ooh that was your favorite one scene.

Speaker 2: 29:08

I think that's my favorite, but I like to tack this on. I think this scene that stood out to me the most Is Morgan, is the dinner scene, and I know that really wasn't like it's such a heavy scene or nothing seemed like too much happened. But again, we're talking about characters where Morgan Freeman's characters are very controlled. He doesn't really seem too excited by everyday thing. Brad Pitt, you know a dog? Could you know he's playing with dogs on the floor. That that's amazing. But the thing about it is Morgan Freeman left and If that just shows a testament or you know, to someone who doesn't really laugh as much, he's a big personality and some people and not to say that you know one, someone who radiates, you know, a lot of happiness, is, you know, not the better or worse, but some people don't as much.

Speaker 2: 30:00

So when you finally get that laughter, it's, it's a big thing, you know, you could just tell he holds the room Really, cuz you know it wasn't even a funny joke. He laughs and then Both you know, gwyneth and Brit Pitt, just you know there is the entire room Explains.

Speaker 1: 30:17

It really changes when I killed it for the few scenes she was in. I think what was awesome about that scene, too, going off, what you're saying right now, mm-hmm, is there was such a human aspect to it. Yeah, we're living in a fincher world of grit, mm-hmm, disgusting. Everyone's immoral, everyone's a murderer, everyone's a killer. And then you get this dinner scene and there's a person who's real. Yeah, all three of them are real and it's a breath of fresh air. You get to see a husband and a wife moving into a new town With it, with a whole nother perspective to it, with boxes Everywhere because they just moved in. What a foreshadow. And you get to humanize Morgan Freeman's character. Prior to that scene, they weren't so many, they weren't fans of each other, so no, yeah, it's just great to just finally see them coming together.

Speaker 2: 31:16

It's it's a buddy cop movie really, I think it's a hilarious buddy. Yes, if you it's a major undertones that you'll catch there.

Speaker 1: 31:26

Yeah, totally for that. One scene in about five minutes out of a two hour long movie.

Speaker 2: 31:32

Yeah, but absolutely. I mean, there are people you know, I've seen or know that you know, really, if they radiate some sort of, they have such a heavy presence. So when they laugh, the room laughs. When they don't, they they can bring the room in like Dampen it down, not in you know an unhappy way. Not that's better, worse, but it can definitely change the tone. So you can just definitely tell you know how revered he was amongst the detective, how you know quote-unquote veteran he was. Yeah, and you know it just plays throughout the dinner table how they see this man as being a such a revered man and you know when they laugh, when he laughs, everyone laughs when you smile, the world smiles with you.

Speaker 2: 32:18

The sun is shining. I don't know where it's going with that different shows for different show. Yeah, Look when you know, you know when you know you know, that's great.

Speaker 1: 32:31

I think it was interesting to see that Kevin Spacey's name wasn't in the opening credits and I found that insane that Fincher was able to do that and keep the mystery of who this Person, this killer, is. Yeah, cuz the first thing I do when I hear about a new movie Go right to IMDB. I go right to the acting. I go who's in this movie? Is it gonna be interesting? Is it gonna be big actors? And To keep that a secret, I think was awesome.

Speaker 2: 33:09

Yeah, yeah, they did a good job. I also believe he didn't go on, you know, clearly didn't do any press as well. Oh so that is pretty well. I mean it's, it's, it's 1995, so of course you know it is, you know, pretty difficult to keep it a secret. But you know those kinds of reveals can't happen today. No, yeah, I mean also just the speculation around movies is most of the advertisement.

Speaker 1: 33:34

Yeah, trailers, like even when spider-man came out. Spider-man, what was it? The?

Speaker 2: 33:41

No, no, no, no. The third one.

Speaker 1: 33:42

Yeah, what was the third one called no way home.

Speaker 2: 33:46

No, it was homecoming and it was far from home. And then no yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:55

Why are you doubting your first try?

Speaker 2: 33:57

come on when you know it's hard to stop saying.

Speaker 1: 34:07

So I think when Tobin McGuire was rumored to be on it it's like bro there were photos of him at the airport and people were like Religiously trying to find out who is gonna make an appearance. Already the the Deadpool things ruined.

Speaker 2: 34:27

No, what are they?

Speaker 1: 34:29

But why can't they just keep this stuff?

Speaker 2: 34:32

Everyone has a phone and the camera. It's so annoying.

Speaker 1: 34:35

They like that's the thing about Deadpool from the beginning that I didn't like. I'm going on a tangent. I don't even care right now. I don't watch trailers. I got sick and tired of trailers and Deadpool one was the reason I stopped watching trailers.

Speaker 2: 34:48

Oh, that was your that was.

Speaker 1: 34:50

That was the prime. I'm done with trailers. Reason I watched that trailer and then I watched him over there. Huh, that's funny. I think I laughed more at the trailer than I did Because, by the way, for that movie that had 17 trailers yeah, I watched all the trailers. I was such a fanboy back in the day with I want to, I want to go look into the theories and what's gonna happen and all that. And then I realized I'm just ruining the film for myself. When I watch these things, my idea is if I know I'm gonna go see the movie, there's no point in watching a trailer.

Speaker 2: 35:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean also, you know, I know I'm gonna watch that.

Speaker 1: 35:30

Scorsese movie, the one with Leo and that new one, whatever right, I Do not need to watch a trailer to convince me to watch a movie I already know I'm gonna watch. Yep, yeah, and they rune have to have this stuff. They room.

Speaker 2: 35:46

It's not even about watching. You need to play active defense just to Keep spoilers down from. Yeah, yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 1: 35:54

Just a yeah, it's not even yeah, and then you go on YouTube and you watch a breakdown of the trailer and you're like, what the hell am I?

Speaker 2: 36:00

doing. Even if you're on YouTube and you're not googling it, you get like a thumbnail and then, uh, you know the title description.

Speaker 1: 36:08

Also, they can get by the way, like Marvel tried to make a trailer when they had, I think, hulk in one of the Avengers Endgame or one of those movies. They had Hulk in one of the fight scenes in the trailer. Yeah and then that never happened, because we know what happened with yeah, we're running it all in slow motion in the forest. They got sued for that.

Speaker 2: 36:32

Really. Yeah who's suing like who?

Speaker 1: 36:34

because for false advertisement.

Speaker 2: 36:37

Yeah, but spoiler my every, every friend that I know, just like did you watch the trip? They don't even ask me, they are in there.

Speaker 1: 36:43

Yeah, it's like what I have. So many friends are like oh Elliot, here we go again with this trailer talk.

Speaker 2: 36:49

I wouldn't mind watching the first 10 seconds. That's what I do.

Speaker 1: 36:51

I just like get the tone, the feeling the first 10 seconds can capture you know, no, no, even if I see an actor like I'm like oh, brad Pitt's gonna be in this movie, all right, I'll watch it. Margot Robbie's in that, I'll watch it Like mm-hmm, that's it. Yeah, it only for me it takes like oh, oh, this actor, oh, that director is doing it like recently. By recently I mean like last night I watched that West Anderson short film with Ben and the Cumberbatch Literally just came out.

Speaker 2: 37:28

I don't know what tell me.

Speaker 1: 37:32

Basically it's just a short film about a role doll Book. I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name correct, but I'm I'm pretty sure it's the guy that did BFG and Charlie and the chocolate factory.

Speaker 2: 37:43

Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:43

Mm-hmm. So he made the short little film.

Speaker 2: 37:47

I'm not a West Anderson fan, I'm not Personally him, and Fincher are just you know.

Speaker 1: 37:54

They're just so similar they're almost Indistinguishable except for the fact that Fincher has linear stories that make coherent sense. Yes where West Anderson has 17 people talking at you Expecting you to know what's going on, while 17 things are moving in the background, and even though it's a beautiful shot, I have no idea what just happened. And Recapping for my eyes, yeah the fact that it's pleasing for my eyes Does not take out the fact that I still have no idea what the Grand Budapest Hotel was about at all.

Speaker 2: 38:35

You need like video game, like periphery, just to watch it.

Speaker 1: 38:41

What's more confusing. Tenant by Christopher Nolan. Well, the Grand Budapest Hotel by Wes Anderson, I don't know. I wish we could get a director who was able to do a film like Nolan, with the, with the narrative of, like Tarantino Like that. That would be insane that would be insane.

Speaker 2: 39:04

That that's an all-center overload, that is.

Speaker 1: 39:08

No, that would just be like a movie that's just repeated violence at Nolan's.

Speaker 2: 39:12

No, I'm sorry, the narrative of Like Nolan.

Speaker 1: 39:16

So like the conversational aspect of like Jules and Vince talking in a so you want, in a normal way, dialogue with. Nolan-esque films, imagine Batman, but like people actually had normal conversations and people didn't just talk like this and every word they said mattered, you know.

Speaker 1: 39:40

Yeah, but sometimes I mean yes, but don't you think, if I wanted to go to 407 Broadway Street, that I needed to be there. And then like three scenes later is at 407 Broadway Street and you're like, oh, that's why he said that, that's why I like Tarantino. He has real conversations about like burgers from Amsterdam or something.

Speaker 2: 40:05

I love that. I love actually. That's why I like Richard Linklater. He has some of the best films for me or I mean right now. When I say for me, it's like I'm in a space where I enjoy that, because I just it's two people hanging out in a room talking, it's just he really captures that.

Speaker 1: 40:25

What movies has he done?

Speaker 2: 40:26

Dazed and confused. Everybody wants some. Those are just where you just hang out, you relax, you relax as an audience, but they relax and they're just talking. It's just fun to see just a little slice of life.

Speaker 1: 40:37

Well, as I'm saying this, I'm realizing that a guy who's kind of doing that thing that I literally just described is Matthew Vaughn. Oh yeah, I feel like he's been killing it with those Kingsmen franchise. I think those are very good with those. Okay, let's have a normal conversation, but also let's keep that high octane fun going.

Speaker 2: 40:58

It's normal conversation and it's put on this.

Speaker 1: 41:03

He has a new film coming out, I think, with Henry Cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill.

Speaker 2: 41:08

Cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill.

Speaker 1: 41:11

Cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill, cavill.

Speaker 2: 41:34

Cavill. He's going to start his life and I hope to see a new America Folk��ms with him. I don't know about that, but I'm gonna go with Bachata tomorrow. My day will be dampened just a little bit maybe, but just all the rain that you're just watching it. But yeah, it's such a heavy movie that it. But he does a great job of making you feel things without you even realizing it or being too aware of it. He does a great job if you ever just like pause the movie, just take note of how you feel. You're like wow, I'm in this space, in this place. That's just. I not expect to be here.

Speaker 1: 42:07

He does a great job of making you feel things yeah, and I feel like you sometimes could get too lost in the gritty look of films. And it's funny because I think I brought this up while we were watching the film and I'm like I don't understand how people even got this film this high, because how many people watch this film? And we're just like, okay, that's a little too gritty for me, I gotta turn this off, but it stands to show. No, this movie is so much more than just that grit. It's got a story that's come. It's got a story that's compelling. It's got a story with great acting behind it yep, I mean, I would say it also has.

Speaker 2: 42:48

It's one of those things that I love how you won't really tell what scene comes next the movie. It's not a predictable movie not at all it doesn't go by the box, it's not cookie cutter and and you know mixture it makes you.

Speaker 1: 43:01

I think it's. I think it's awesome where you can have a film that is able to give you exactly what you're looking for, with his own style to it, because that's Fincher style yeah venture style is I want you to believe that this world is a horrible place you know what?

Speaker 1: 43:22

yeah, and and that's that line at the end. The line at the end of the movie was perfectly the exact definition that I think Fincher lives his life by, which is earnest. Hemingway said that life is what he said life is beautiful and it's worth fighting for. Yeah, but Morgan Freeman's character said but I believe in the second part, yeah yeah, how do I remember that?

Speaker 1: 43:50

but, stays with you. Yeah, exactly because it stays with you. It's a, it's an awesome line. Yeah, and I think that Fincher lives his life with that exact idea. Fighting for it is the most important part. It doesn't matter about that first part. That first part doesn't matter yeah, the second part that does it is great.

Speaker 2: 44:09

I would love to see, you know, like any sort of and tell me if you're interested in this too to see any sort of like regular cookie cutter movie. You know, some Netflix movie that you'll forget, you know, two days after it comes out. Take that movie, copy and paste it into a Fincher, a Tarantino, a Nolan, like what would they do with that movie? It's, you know, just they can keep it, the movie about the same, but it's, wouldn't you be more interested in seeing it because style goes a long way?

Speaker 1: 44:37

style does go a long way, and I think that the one thing growing up I didn't understand about movies was like, oh, oh, such-and-such actor is in this movie, oh, that's awesome. Until I got older I realized no, I want to see a movie because of the director. The style of the director is phenomenal, yeah, and that to me now is the biggest proponent of why I go see a movie yeah if Tarantino is coming out of the movie, I'm there opening night.

Speaker 1: 45:05

Yep, if Scorsese is opening a movie, I'm seeing it that week. Nolan too. It's these heavy hitters that are coming in and they're making names for themselves. Matthew Vaughan, another one he's great.

Speaker 2: 45:20

I think that, like I said it before, one of my favorite, greta Gerwig, she's great. She's great too, but the style of Fincher yes, it has this dark overtone but that takes time that takes time this is stylistic, takes time.

Speaker 1: 45:34

Only the greats, only the greats, the great directors knew their style from before yeah, yeah, I'd say Gowri has an incredible style, you know.

Speaker 2: 45:46

Again, you can put them in a room. I watch King Arthur and just watch people come up with a scheme, kind of like Soto Berg. That's also a great example of them planning the heist and you know, you know scene to scene, and then they bring the information back. It has a great way of tying it all together. I'd say, if you're looking for movies that do a great job of you know relaying information with style, watch Soto Berg, watch Guy Ritchie, watch Fincher, for sure well, have you seen Mindhunters?

Speaker 2: 46:19

I haven't. Oh, he did. I know he did that. I've not heard that was that was awesome.

Speaker 1: 46:24

Well, I do like true crime, so it was awesome to see David Fincher kind of take these true crime you know people yep, turn them into characters on TV and have people picking at their brain. I felt like it gave like a different second win to these characters that I enjoyed a lot, yeah it's also yeah, it's interesting to see it.

Speaker 2: 46:46

You know, of a true story. You know, I could just imagine the people going through it like, oh shit, that's David Fincher, he's directing me, that's yeah, yeah so, overall, I would I would say that this is definitely of.

Speaker 1: 46:57

First of all, I think it's the first horror movie on the top 200, on the top 250 yes and I think it kind of ranks in right now at number 20 and I think it of the horror slash thrillers. This killed it yeah, yeah, this.

Speaker 2: 47:13

This also really leans into the thriller more than the horror. It is horror for sure. I mean, the horror is a definitely broad definition and it definitely hits it closer to the center on this one. But if, look, one of your friends say, hey, what's a good thriller seven just say 70 just such a great job.

Speaker 1: 47:34

Joe. Great movie, definitely worth it. Anyways, this has been the Shrem show with my guest. Be over here thank you for having me it was awesome, awesome having him, and we're gonna do, we're just gonna sign off.

Speaker 2: 47:50

I don't know. This is, this is a form to sign off, or like sign out. Do we take the pass and leave like? Yeah, it was it's great, absolutely, absolutely all right listen whatever different shows for different folks.

Speaker 1: 48:02

Man, what do you want for my life?

Speaker 2: 48:03

look, look, I mean when, when? You know damn, I need more, I need more white guy phrases you know, I mean, yeah, what's another?

Speaker 1: 48:10

one, you know it is, you can just the buck ends here. The buck ends here, that's a good one.

Speaker 2: 48:21

Know what that means it just sounds like something that it sounds. I don't know, but it just sounds, I think, a president yeah, yeah, maybe, who knows, yeah, yeah the buck ends here. That, yeah, that's an interesting one. You know, when someone says like I'm under the weather or like you know I have like us, you know like my stomach is acting up, you're like you know there's such a way to like. You know, you know like, just like people have a way with words anyways, guys, this has been seven with my guest B.

Speaker 1: 48:55

You could follow him at social media under B just that you follow me on Twitter slash X at B. Just follow his podcast at B yeah that's not him. You'll never find him. He's John Doe, he's, he's the reveal I was about to make a messed up joke. All right, thanks me for coming in today. That was awesome, thank you, you're awesome, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 49:28

Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1: 49:28

This is great, this is great yeah plant to have you on for more of these hopefully, I think they're coming out the seven, part two.

Speaker 2: 49:39

This is an obvious joke it's called eight six. No, there's a teaser, that's the first, this two trailer one. This four trailers a red trailer a red trailer anyway.

Speaker 1: 50:09

I'll have you again and yes listen, I don't know this is amazing. All right, peace, bye guys okay, this is your shrimp show. Follow me. Subscribe rate. I don't know. Whatever the hell, do it. Do it, patreon, if it's up. I don't get me a patreon yet, but if I did check it out, peace.